I’m so confused about how this got to be a political issue, rather than a biological one. It’s so obvious, after all the boxing/swimming/running controversy that men are…wait for it!…men.
At the risk of further offending the professionally offended class, perhaps the term “trans woman” should be switched for “Trans man”.
It’s more accurate, and would avoid confusion. You may be “Trans”; that’s your choice. But you’re not a woman, because that’s not a matter of choice. When I hear Lia Thomas described as a kind of woman, rather than an alternate kind of man, I feel that the language is being confused. “Lia Thomas: trans man”. I honestly think that helps.
So you think the prefix "trans" is being used in a manner different than it is used in, say, transcontintental or transformation? Yoi need to check your derivations. Seriously, this is one of the most disingenuous arguments I've ever seen.
Sorry, still confused, could you repeat that a second time or is it repeat a third time , hehe, maybe I should ask your grade schooled. Twice or thrice? Anyway, please repeat your comment 🙏 love to be told 3 times.
Clearly you failed basic grammar school where we learned prefixes and what they mean. Maybe go back to the third grade. Or second. My grade schooler has an understanding of gender identity vs. biological sex. I don’t understand why grown adults are obtuse.
We used to say "FtM transsexual" or "MtF transsexuals", which made clear the person's biological sex.
However, this formulation implies that a transition from one sex to the other is actually possible.
Sex Matters suggests TiM and TiF (trans-identified male and trans-identified female). This makes clear that trans is the identity and male/female is the sex of the person.
I sometimes say "male transitioner" or "female transitioner" to refer to those trans-identified people who have gone through a clear medical process of changing their secondary sex characteristics.
But where the process is less obvious and someone just looks like a dude in a dress and wig, I think it's fine to use the descriptor "cross-dressing man". In many instances there is no way of knowing if the man in question really sees himself as trans or is just a cross-dresser (the lines are so blurred these days!).
Exactly the core issue! Why is it now an imperative that everyone must agree with another person’s belief about themselves? To validate their fantasies? What’s next? It’s a slippery slope once logic and reason are abandoned, and people are forced to comply.
I use trans-identified male. But trans man would definitely work and be more succinct. There is a growing consensus on flipping the script - not just with language. But, the whole way we approach trans-identified males in sports: https://strongerwomen.substack.com/p/will-male-athletes-welcome-girly
I don't think this would work, but it's a creative idea that moves the conversation forward.
That could work. Or what about "male transitioner"?
Just as we describe detransitioners as either male or female we can do the same in instances where the person is happy to remain in a "transitioned" state.
A male transitioner would therefore be a man who has gone through some kind of medicalisation and clearly wishes to be seen as a woman.
Meanwhile I am happy to go back to using "cross-dresser" and "transvestite" for men who are very obviously playing dress-up and getting a kick out of it.
How about men who have figured out how to scam a current lunacy to compete and win medals against weaker competitors. In addition they get to shower with the girls, not available in their past. Thanks progressives, you’ve done it again.
Once men have gone through male puberty, they will retain their male sex advantage in every athletic metric you can name regardless of the presence of male reproductive organs. Height, weight, skeletal structure, lung capacity, muscularity, reflexes, etc., are not eradicated when a man "transitions." Studies have demonstrated that even if these men lose some of their former strength as a result of taking estrogen, the gap between males and females in sports is so significant that it makes no difference in the outcome.
There's only one way to protect fairness for women in sports: maintain the level playing field by keeping males off the field.
"Testosterone suppression for transgender women has little effect on reducing muscle strength even after a year of treatment, according to new findings. Researchers say the findings could have important implications for transgender athletes in female sport.
Most sports governing bodies, including the International Olympic Committee, now have policies saying transwomen must take testosterone blockers for at least a year before they can compete at elite level.
But findings by the Karolinska Institute in Sweden, to be published this year, have shown the effect of the hormone treatment in relation to reducing leg muscle strength, is almost negligible for men who transition to become women.
That could be significant in sporting terms because it indicates the physical advantages of biological males are maintained even after transitioning and after hormone therapy to reduce testosterone levels."
"I’m so confused about how this got to be a political issue, rather than a biological one. It’s so obvious, after all the boxing/swimming/running controversy that men are…wait for it!…men."
We still have people who believe the earth is 6,000 years old. This is the progressive equivalent of Creationism. People believe stupid shit they want to believe no matter what.
"Teammates" sharing how to find her location? Sounds to me like she is better off without that toxic "Team."
If there is any crowdfunding opportunities for the new team, please send link. I am still adjusting to my reduced income (being semi or mostly retired) but want to support selective causes that support sanity and common sense.
I love this and I love her bravery! I mean it is so ridiculous to call the truth hate speech but these are crazy times we live in! Thank you for all you do Jennifer. I truly love your passion and your willingness to support women in sports. I have a daughter that plays D1 volleyball so I get how dangerous it is to have men in women's sports!
I also love your clothing line. I have the same green shorts that Natty-ice wore. They are fabulous!
I don't really care who wants to trounce around in the other sex's clothing. For that matter I don't care that they want to emasculate themselves. What I do care about is them demanding and successfully stealing women's spaces. When is this insanity going to end? Three cheers for women's rights. For that matter three jeers for the twisted thinking that even makes this an issue.
This anecdote is clear proof that the phrase "as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else" is a threadbare trope meaning nothing. Men who identify as female typically have a backstory involving pornography or abuse or both. They are psychiatrically ill, in the cluster B, narcissist vein and they always hurt those around them. They've been misled by profiteering doctors, they've organized organizations like the Trans Journalists Association, which puts out a "Style and Usage Guide" advocating censorship and totalitarian enforcement of their goals. I've known this for 30 years, as my ex-husband is one of those men and I discovered his betrayals in 1992. I take some comfort knowing so many in our sisterhood are realizing the truths I absorbed decades ago.
You are absolutely correct. These men are seriously mentally ill and indulging their fantasies only reinforces the mental illness. But few, if any,people ever consider the cost and damage done to others by such indulgence. Similar to your experience, I know of a man who, after decades of marriage and fatherhood, decided he really was a woman. His decision destroyed his family and shattered his wife. I would love to see what could happen if these men actually got real psychiatric treatment instead of the sham "affirming"treatment that occurs today.
I recall at some point in the 1980's the JHU sex institute estimated that over half of the male population who claimed sexual dysmorphia were autogynephilic.
If you stand up for my rights to not have ideologically driven women pretending to be a man, I will 100% support you in the reverse. Men didn't create this problem believe it or not.
I disagree at least to the extent that a woman who wants to pretend to be a man and demands that I treat her as such is definitely intruding. I've experienced this occasionally in the film business and it's a serious frustration. Young girls claiming to be a man want to control how speech happens on set while acting mildly belligerently. They are well aware that if I or any other guy talk like guys (no I don't mean catcalling) we'll be called out immediately for our toxicity. The sheer stupidity of the thing is only bettered by the entitlement. We all have to keep our mouths shut knowing that our jobs depend on being good little boys who don't give a shit that some 23 year old girl who wants to be like us only uses the claim to gain power. So, yes I think that's threatening. And further, when I was 20 and lived in Baltimore City, none of the transvestites walking in my neighborhood - it was a largely gay area - ever got in anyone's face for misgendering them. Those men knew who they were, bless them.
I know there are cases of profound body dysmorphia. But the idea of mutilating a person to "make" them into something they are not is no different than a doctor agreeing with a profoundly anorexic patient and watching her die from her self image goals. The path is endless and chaotic.
Renee Richards (formerly Richard), Jan (formerly James) Morris and Christine (formerly George) Jorgensen were the first men who publicly had sex trait modification surgeries and started the path to popularizing this phenomenon. There was a woman involved in the Harry Benjamin Institute, which later became WPATH, who asserted she was male in her mind, but she regretted it at the end of her life.
Thank you for the history lesson, very interesting. John Money and his revolting proclivities owes humanity an impossible debt for what he wrought. The selfishness of prominent sex researchers like Money and Kinsey should maybe give people pause before jumping on bandwagons of the "science" of sexuality, but we aren't very good at using Occam's razor in society. Doing so gets you labelled a luddite and closed minded.
I remember Richards quite well. And the thing that sticks in my mind is that guys kept their mouths shut around their spouses and girlfriends rather than telling them what they thought of him. I was painfully aware of the need for him to get substantial cognitive behavioral therapy. For the reason of empathy, when it comes to sexual difference, a percentage of the population, mostly women, are all in on whatever anyone wants to do, even if it means women must subjugate who and what they are to please a man. It's appalling.
Nikki Hiltz is a woman (adult human female). A confused one but still a woman, no such thing as "non-binary". Humans are conceived as one of two sexes, male or female, and they are immutable. Facts.
My mind is open. What are the other human sexes and what gamete does their body produce? Human sex is defined as the type of gamete that a body produces or has or had the capacity to produce. It’s a binary biological reality defined by reproductive function: males have the function to produce sperm, and females, ova.
This is how the thinkers did it in the Middle Ages when they were up against the Inquisition. Fighting the Inquisition with logic, data, reality has no effect. Those people are zealots, faith based believers who do not like heretics! And they have minions who follow their commands. You have to go around them. Create all new clubs and siphon away the normal people, who are in the majority.
I do not like what happened to Natalie with her corporate sponsor. Redo of your experience at Levi's. You understand. And you bellied up to the bar to allow her to say FAFO with the generous sponsorship of Team Woman. The elevating experience of completing a marathon and it's endorphins overload is addictive. My last and 26th was the Skylon in Canada on my 40th birthday. Finish line was at Niagra Falls. I am in my 82nd year of life but loved my addiction. Body smart.
Thanks for standing up for Natalie and establishing Team Woman .
Thank you Craig - As a great grandmother I see more than ever that women and girls benefit greatly from strong men like you in their lives. We truly need each other. Go go Natalie.
Apart from the avalanche of pure poison Nikki Hiltz deliberately generated with her own outpouring of venom, she displayed an absurd degree of ignorance about the Boston Marathon itself. "This person is upset because the Boston Marathon has allowed transwomen to compete." Wrong. This year, in addition to allowing transwomen to compete in the men's category, as they have always been allowed to, the Boston Marathon also allowed transwomen to compete in the women's category. It is not a matter of gaining unavailable access; it is a matter of demanding unlimited access. Hiltz goes on to school us on the "point" of the Boston Marathon, which she describes as running 26.2 miles and maybe making some friends along the way, concluding that "transwomen are not stopping you from doing that." Need I actually say this, Nikki? Yes, yes, they are, Nikki. For every male-bodied runner identifying as a woman running in the Boston Marathon in the women's category, a female-bodied runner was excluded from the race.
Thank you, Jennifer, for yet another stellar piece of journalism, and thank you, Natalie Daniels, for standing up for women and for truth.
As a physician, I’m confident that this mentally ill failed male athlete will still require a prostate exam and that a karyotype test will identify one X and one Y chromosome (XY).
I’m so confused about how this got to be a political issue, rather than a biological one. It’s so obvious, after all the boxing/swimming/running controversy that men are…wait for it!…men.
At the risk of further offending the professionally offended class, perhaps the term “trans woman” should be switched for “Trans man”.
It’s more accurate, and would avoid confusion. You may be “Trans”; that’s your choice. But you’re not a woman, because that’s not a matter of choice. When I hear Lia Thomas described as a kind of woman, rather than an alternate kind of man, I feel that the language is being confused. “Lia Thomas: trans man”. I honestly think that helps.
Any use of "trans" is confusing, so I just refuse to say "trans" at all.
"Trans" is a lie: "transitioning" sex is impossible in mammals.
I say "man who falsely believes he is a woman" and "woman who falsely believes she is a man".
These are long unwieldy phrases, but they have the virtue of conveying the truth with no possibility of misunderstanding.
Clearly you failed basic grammar school where we learned prefixes and what they mean. “Trans” does not mean “transition.” Go back to the third grade.
Did you forget that you already hurled those insults at me?
Maybe she was high.
So you think the prefix "trans" is being used in a manner different than it is used in, say, transcontintental or transformation? Yoi need to check your derivations. Seriously, this is one of the most disingenuous arguments I've ever seen.
Sorry, still confused, could you repeat that a second time or is it repeat a third time , hehe, maybe I should ask your grade schooled. Twice or thrice? Anyway, please repeat your comment 🙏 love to be told 3 times.
Clearly you were born without a brain.
Clearly you failed basic grammar school where we learned prefixes and what they mean. Maybe go back to the third grade. Or second. My grade schooler has an understanding of gender identity vs. biological sex. I don’t understand why grown adults are obtuse.
I teach English, and you are a moron.
Apparently, Ebby, you failed Biology 101.
Men are men and women are women. It's pretty simple. How did you get this far in life without knowing that?
Biology isn't bigotry!
Clearly you failed basic history because transgender is a more recent term, it always used to be transsexual.
I favor: "XY born, cross-dressing, gender dysphoric man"
its long! doesn't roll off the tongue!
Because “Y”, that’s why.
We used to say "FtM transsexual" or "MtF transsexuals", which made clear the person's biological sex.
However, this formulation implies that a transition from one sex to the other is actually possible.
Sex Matters suggests TiM and TiF (trans-identified male and trans-identified female). This makes clear that trans is the identity and male/female is the sex of the person.
I sometimes say "male transitioner" or "female transitioner" to refer to those trans-identified people who have gone through a clear medical process of changing their secondary sex characteristics.
But where the process is less obvious and someone just looks like a dude in a dress and wig, I think it's fine to use the descriptor "cross-dressing man". In many instances there is no way of knowing if the man in question really sees himself as trans or is just a cross-dresser (the lines are so blurred these days!).
Don't give a rip how anyone "sees themselves."
Exactly the core issue! Why is it now an imperative that everyone must agree with another person’s belief about themselves? To validate their fantasies? What’s next? It’s a slippery slope once logic and reason are abandoned, and people are forced to comply.
Actually ‘conceived as XY’!
TOTALLY AGREE!
I use trans-identified male. But trans man would definitely work and be more succinct. There is a growing consensus on flipping the script - not just with language. But, the whole way we approach trans-identified males in sports: https://strongerwomen.substack.com/p/will-male-athletes-welcome-girly
I don't think this would work, but it's a creative idea that moves the conversation forward.
How about “transing man”?
That could work. Or what about "male transitioner"?
Just as we describe detransitioners as either male or female we can do the same in instances where the person is happy to remain in a "transitioned" state.
A male transitioner would therefore be a man who has gone through some kind of medicalisation and clearly wishes to be seen as a woman.
Meanwhile I am happy to go back to using "cross-dresser" and "transvestite" for men who are very obviously playing dress-up and getting a kick out of it.
How about men who have figured out how to scam a current lunacy to compete and win medals against weaker competitors. In addition they get to shower with the girls, not available in their past. Thanks progressives, you’ve done it again.
What about deranged man?
So let them compete if they have all,of their male reproductive organs removed - here’s betting not many will go for that
Once men have gone through male puberty, they will retain their male sex advantage in every athletic metric you can name regardless of the presence of male reproductive organs. Height, weight, skeletal structure, lung capacity, muscularity, reflexes, etc., are not eradicated when a man "transitions." Studies have demonstrated that even if these men lose some of their former strength as a result of taking estrogen, the gap between males and females in sports is so significant that it makes no difference in the outcome.
There's only one way to protect fairness for women in sports: maintain the level playing field by keeping males off the field.
https://www.thetimes.com/sport/rugby-union/article/transgender-row-stoked-by-new-findings-3pwxjqqrp
"Testosterone suppression for transgender women has little effect on reducing muscle strength even after a year of treatment, according to new findings. Researchers say the findings could have important implications for transgender athletes in female sport.
Most sports governing bodies, including the International Olympic Committee, now have policies saying transwomen must take testosterone blockers for at least a year before they can compete at elite level.
But findings by the Karolinska Institute in Sweden, to be published this year, have shown the effect of the hormone treatment in relation to reducing leg muscle strength, is almost negligible for men who transition to become women.
That could be significant in sporting terms because it indicates the physical advantages of biological males are maintained even after transitioning and after hormone therapy to reduce testosterone levels."
I will help them with that, but without anaesthetic.
"I’m so confused about how this got to be a political issue, rather than a biological one. It’s so obvious, after all the boxing/swimming/running controversy that men are…wait for it!…men."
We still have people who believe the earth is 6,000 years old. This is the progressive equivalent of Creationism. People believe stupid shit they want to believe no matter what.
You go girl💪🏻 Stand for what is right and don’t pay attention to the miss informed! You are the Winner all around👍🏻
The left has mastered the art of hijacking issues and turning them inside out.
Thank you Jennifer and XX-XY for providing real women in sports with the support needed!!!
"Teammates" sharing how to find her location? Sounds to me like she is better off without that toxic "Team."
If there is any crowdfunding opportunities for the new team, please send link. I am still adjusting to my reduced income (being semi or mostly retired) but want to support selective causes that support sanity and common sense.
That's not a team. It's a den of snakes.
Mean girls
More like stupid brain dead girls who don't realize they're sacrificing their own rights.
Both are true. Mean girls did not go away they became stronger and more obnoxious.
Until they get their ass whipped by somebody tougher.
A bunch of twats that she's better off without
LOL! You have a way with words.
Find Her? Threat! Hubby - should anyone approach with any negative energy - a sharing gift in the mouth would be appropriate, oops said that out loud
I didn’t hear anything.
I love this and I love her bravery! I mean it is so ridiculous to call the truth hate speech but these are crazy times we live in! Thank you for all you do Jennifer. I truly love your passion and your willingness to support women in sports. I have a daughter that plays D1 volleyball so I get how dangerous it is to have men in women's sports!
I also love your clothing line. I have the same green shorts that Natty-ice wore. They are fabulous!
I don't really care who wants to trounce around in the other sex's clothing. For that matter I don't care that they want to emasculate themselves. What I do care about is them demanding and successfully stealing women's spaces. When is this insanity going to end? Three cheers for women's rights. For that matter three jeers for the twisted thinking that even makes this an issue.
This anecdote is clear proof that the phrase "as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else" is a threadbare trope meaning nothing. Men who identify as female typically have a backstory involving pornography or abuse or both. They are psychiatrically ill, in the cluster B, narcissist vein and they always hurt those around them. They've been misled by profiteering doctors, they've organized organizations like the Trans Journalists Association, which puts out a "Style and Usage Guide" advocating censorship and totalitarian enforcement of their goals. I've known this for 30 years, as my ex-husband is one of those men and I discovered his betrayals in 1992. I take some comfort knowing so many in our sisterhood are realizing the truths I absorbed decades ago.
You are absolutely correct. These men are seriously mentally ill and indulging their fantasies only reinforces the mental illness. But few, if any,people ever consider the cost and damage done to others by such indulgence. Similar to your experience, I know of a man who, after decades of marriage and fatherhood, decided he really was a woman. His decision destroyed his family and shattered his wife. I would love to see what could happen if these men actually got real psychiatric treatment instead of the sham "affirming"treatment that occurs today.
I recall at some point in the 1980's the JHU sex institute estimated that over half of the male population who claimed sexual dysmorphia were autogynephilic.
Exactly!! They are sick individuals.
If you stand up for my rights to not have ideologically driven women pretending to be a man, I will 100% support you in the reverse. Men didn't create this problem believe it or not.
But a trans-ing woman is zero threat to men. 🤷♀️
I disagree at least to the extent that a woman who wants to pretend to be a man and demands that I treat her as such is definitely intruding. I've experienced this occasionally in the film business and it's a serious frustration. Young girls claiming to be a man want to control how speech happens on set while acting mildly belligerently. They are well aware that if I or any other guy talk like guys (no I don't mean catcalling) we'll be called out immediately for our toxicity. The sheer stupidity of the thing is only bettered by the entitlement. We all have to keep our mouths shut knowing that our jobs depend on being good little boys who don't give a shit that some 23 year old girl who wants to be like us only uses the claim to gain power. So, yes I think that's threatening. And further, when I was 20 and lived in Baltimore City, none of the transvestites walking in my neighborhood - it was a largely gay area - ever got in anyone's face for misgendering them. Those men knew who they were, bless them.
I know there are cases of profound body dysmorphia. But the idea of mutilating a person to "make" them into something they are not is no different than a doctor agreeing with a profoundly anorexic patient and watching her die from her self image goals. The path is endless and chaotic.
Renee Richards (formerly Richard), Jan (formerly James) Morris and Christine (formerly George) Jorgensen were the first men who publicly had sex trait modification surgeries and started the path to popularizing this phenomenon. There was a woman involved in the Harry Benjamin Institute, which later became WPATH, who asserted she was male in her mind, but she regretted it at the end of her life.
Thank you for the history lesson, very interesting. John Money and his revolting proclivities owes humanity an impossible debt for what he wrought. The selfishness of prominent sex researchers like Money and Kinsey should maybe give people pause before jumping on bandwagons of the "science" of sexuality, but we aren't very good at using Occam's razor in society. Doing so gets you labelled a luddite and closed minded.
I remember Richards quite well. And the thing that sticks in my mind is that guys kept their mouths shut around their spouses and girlfriends rather than telling them what they thought of him. I was painfully aware of the need for him to get substantial cognitive behavioral therapy. For the reason of empathy, when it comes to sexual difference, a percentage of the population, mostly women, are all in on whatever anyone wants to do, even if it means women must subjugate who and what they are to please a man. It's appalling.
Empathy is overrated.
You write very well, should include "brotherhood" for those that would defend you.
Just a thought...
Thanks! I so appreciate the men who have been supportive, who readily say they also can tell a male crossdresser and would never flirt with him!
Nikki Hiltz is a woman (adult human female). A confused one but still a woman, no such thing as "non-binary". Humans are conceived as one of two sexes, male or female, and they are immutable. Facts.
Ah, no. There are more than two sexes. Read up on biology. Open your mind to truth and reality.
My mind is open. What are the other human sexes and what gamete does their body produce? Human sex is defined as the type of gamete that a body produces or has or had the capacity to produce. It’s a binary biological reality defined by reproductive function: males have the function to produce sperm, and females, ova.
Exactly this.
No, Kathy, you're wrong. You're the one who needs to "read up on biology" and "open your mind to truth and reality."
You are joking, right?!!
This is how the thinkers did it in the Middle Ages when they were up against the Inquisition. Fighting the Inquisition with logic, data, reality has no effect. Those people are zealots, faith based believers who do not like heretics! And they have minions who follow their commands. You have to go around them. Create all new clubs and siphon away the normal people, who are in the majority.
Yes. Sometimes the best way to fight is to take the wind out of their sails.
Looking good, Natty-ice!
I do not like what happened to Natalie with her corporate sponsor. Redo of your experience at Levi's. You understand. And you bellied up to the bar to allow her to say FAFO with the generous sponsorship of Team Woman. The elevating experience of completing a marathon and it's endorphins overload is addictive. My last and 26th was the Skylon in Canada on my 40th birthday. Finish line was at Niagra Falls. I am in my 82nd year of life but loved my addiction. Body smart.
Thanks for standing up for Natalie and establishing Team Woman .
Hero!
Thank you all for standing up for us. Keep XY out of XX sports.
Go, go Natalie.
Wait - wait, I'm a Cheer Leader for Wemen in sports. That's my appropriate roll as brother, father, grandfather, uncle.
Men need strong Wemen in thier lives.
Go, go Natalie
Thank you Craig - As a great grandmother I see more than ever that women and girls benefit greatly from strong men like you in their lives. We truly need each other. Go go Natalie.
Apart from the avalanche of pure poison Nikki Hiltz deliberately generated with her own outpouring of venom, she displayed an absurd degree of ignorance about the Boston Marathon itself. "This person is upset because the Boston Marathon has allowed transwomen to compete." Wrong. This year, in addition to allowing transwomen to compete in the men's category, as they have always been allowed to, the Boston Marathon also allowed transwomen to compete in the women's category. It is not a matter of gaining unavailable access; it is a matter of demanding unlimited access. Hiltz goes on to school us on the "point" of the Boston Marathon, which she describes as running 26.2 miles and maybe making some friends along the way, concluding that "transwomen are not stopping you from doing that." Need I actually say this, Nikki? Yes, yes, they are, Nikki. For every male-bodied runner identifying as a woman running in the Boston Marathon in the women's category, a female-bodied runner was excluded from the race.
Thank you, Jennifer, for yet another stellar piece of journalism, and thank you, Natalie Daniels, for standing up for women and for truth.
Exactly. Because, unlike many other marathons, you have to QUALIFY for Boston!
As a physician, I’m confident that this mentally ill failed male athlete will still require a prostate exam and that a karyotype test will identify one X and one Y chromosome (XY).
Does she have an instagram account? I’d love to follow her!❤️
Her club is shameful. Natty-ice has honor. I commend her for sticking to what is right. Amazing woman.
Lose that club Natty-ice. They are not your friends. Jakals.